The purpose of writing this text is to warn car owners against one common mistake. When the key is turned to the START/KRANK mark, the starter does not turn, and then they try to close the power terminals directly. Having opened the hood and reached the starter, they see two copper taps - they are closed. In this case, the electric motor is activated, but the solenoid relay is not activated, and the freewheel bearing remains in place. In reality, power taps cannot be shorted! We will talk further about how to properly close the starter with a screwdriver.
Starter short circuit
In order to close the starter, you will need a screwdriver, wrench or other metal tool. In our case, consider the option with a screwdriver and a faulty retractor relay.
Problems with the retractor relay are indicated by a peculiar click under the hood when you turn the key in the ignition. The clicking sound is a signal that the solenoid relay is turned on, but the overrunning clutch cannot turn the crankshaft. There is only one way out - close the starter so that voltage goes to the winding.
First you need to choose the right screwdriver
so that its length matches the distance between the terminals that will be closed.
Next, the gearbox is placed in neutral gear
, the handbrake is tightened all the way, the key is inserted into the ignition switch and turned in the desired direction.
After which the starter terminals are short-circuited. The key and the screwdriver work instead of the faulty relay, and the Bendix turns the crankshaft. As a result, the long-awaited engine start occurs.
Overall the method is simple
. But owners of cars from the 80s and 90s need to know that in contactless ignition systems, the switch controls the voltage supply to the coil, but in older ones there is no such control, and when the starter closes, the coil may break.
If you have to close the starter in the contact system, it is better to do it together
. One will need to turn the key in the ignition, and the second will need to close the starter contacts.
Causes
Most often, starter failure is a slow, gradual process. To prevent damage, when the starter slows down, pay attention to the condition of the electrical circuit or battery.
The most common causes of poor starter performance or failure, which is the first thing you should pay attention to if there is a problem:
- Battery.
- Fixing contacts.
- Integrity of wires leading to terminals.
- Damage to the circuit between the battery and starter.
- Not working contact group.
- Winding short circuit, relay failure
- It is also not uncommon for bearings to wear out, but the starter does not turn off after ignition.
If engine operation is accompanied by a strange noise, pay attention to the mountings and drive gear.
Let’s immediately make a reservation about the case when the breakdown can be eliminated only by repairing the starter or starting the car with a push - when you turn it on, there will be a sound of the armature rotating at idle, or the Bendix overrunning clutch slipping, this means that the breakdown of the unit is mechanical. This means failure of the fork, overrunning clutch or planetary gearbox (if such is provided for in the design of the car).
Slow rotation of the flywheel is a sign of armature contact with the stator. In the jargon of motorists - “shoes”. The reason for this is wear of the bushings. With further operation of the starter with obsolete plate bushings, the armature winding clinging to the stator will shift, damaging the winding wires, thereby causing a short circuit.
If there is a problem with the power supply, auto electricians use the method of turning on the starter by shorting the terminals of the “positive” wires connected to the solenoid relay. If such diagnostics do not produce results, then the cause is sought inside the stator.
Basic starter failures
More experienced car enthusiasts know that the car may not start for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with the starter. But still, most often the “dog is buried” in it.
To clearly understand the essence of the problem, you should familiarize yourself with common starter malfunctions, which include:
- burnt winding;
- malfunctions in the relay;
- wear of the overrunning clutch (Bendix);
- oxidation of contacts.
With all these breakdowns, the engine will start with difficulty or even refuse to start. It is in this situation that you need to take action.
How to start a Zhiguli in cold weather
This is what the leak looks like on a VAZ-2107
When severe frosts set in, many Zhiguli owners experience problems with starting, the reasons for which lie in battery fatigue, thickening of the oils, and in the intricacies of the carburetor or gas equipment due to the difficulty of evaporation. To start this car in winter, you will have to work with the choke, heat the carburetor and depress the clutch pedal while cranking the starter.
Starting a Zhiguli engine in severe frost
To start a classic VAZ in severe frost, you just need to arm yourself with a bottle of hot water. To start you need:
- Fill a bottle with hot water. For convenience, you can make a hole in the plug and insert a tube there.
- Open the hood and manually pump gasoline into the carburetor.
- Pour hot water over the intake manifold leading from the carburetor until it warms up.
- After the manifold warms up (and it makes the carburetor warmer), turn on the ignition and pull the choke to the middle or stronger.
- Depress the clutch pedal to relieve the load from the engine and start the engine from the starter. To simplify mixture formation, you can make gas mixtures.
- If it doesn’t work the first time, wait a minute and try starting again with the starter.
How to start a Zhiguli carburetor engine in winter
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How to start a car on gas in winter
If there is no gasoline left and frost strikes, you will have to worry a little more, since starting a VAZ on gas is more difficult in winter. Propane-butane has a relatively high boiling point (from -1 to -42, depending on the proportions of gases in the mixture) and when evaporating, it additionally removes heat and is less flammable.
Where should you pour hot water to warm up the gearbox?
To start from gas equipment, you need to warm up not only the manifold, but also the gas equipment reducer. You can do this in the same way using a hot water bottle. Warm up the gearbox by slowly pouring boiling water over it. Having turned on the HBO button, pull the choke handle halfway (you can hold your foot on the accelerator pedal for a minute), start the engine just like that with the clutch depressed. With the engine running, let it run again with choke, but do not give the gas above 1200 rpm before warming up, otherwise the gearbox will freeze and then you will no longer be able to do without gasoline.
Scheme, theory and practice
Let's see what the wiring diagram of any electric starter looks like. Contact B is constantly supplied with voltage.
Starter and its external circuits
In the diagram we see three “positive” contacts and one negative (8), which is always connected to the body. What needs to be closed:
- Before closing the starter, locate the S terminal. It is often made in the form of a petal;
- How to distinguish contacts B and M: the first will have a potential of “+12”;
- You need to close contact B with terminal S. This is done briefly and after turning on the “neutral”;
- Contacts M and B cannot be closed.
We move from theory to practice. On a VAZ-2114 car everything looks simple.
Solenoid relay VAZ-2114
Terminal B here is covered with a rubber band, and petal S is in contact with the terminal in plastic. The plastic plug is removed before “shorting”.
Closing the starter contact with a screwdriver
Make sure that the metal of the screwdriver does not touch the relay body when closing. Otherwise, we will simply close the “+” contact to “ground” (dangerous). All work is carried out with the ignition on.
- B – Bold, “thick” wire;
- M – Motor (electric motor);
- S – Start.
What to do if there is no key
The method we just looked at is not the only way to start the starter.
There are several more options. The first involves starting the starter from inside the car. To do this, you will need to remove the plastic panel that is located under the steering wheel of the car. The next step is to separate the wiring harness going to the ignition switch.
Find the wire that goes to ground (could be black, green, or yellow with a black stripe). It is possible to determine the required conductor using a tester. Connect one tip to the wire being tested, and the other to the car body. If the display shows zero, then that's what we need.
Strip the neutral wire, insulate it and move it to the side. Power to the starter on the VAZ-2114 is supplied through a red or yellow wire. To avoid confusion, check with a tester.
Next you need to determine the conductor that is responsible for the starter. To do this, connect the supply wire with the remaining ones in turn. From which the mechanism will work, we will continue to work.
Connect the remaining bundle to the positive wire, and then close it with the starter terminal. If you have determined everything correctly, the engine should start. Keep in mind that you cannot connect the wires for a long time, so as not to discharge the battery.
As with the first method, the gearbox must be in neutral.
We close the starter “in French” (special cases)
Access to the starter is always open from under the bottom - you just need to remove the crankcase protection. An example is in the photo below.
Under the bottom of Renault Megane 2
It is difficult to reach the starter from the engine compartment. In the best case, it is closed by a filter (VAZ), in the worst case, by a battery. You can remove the filter, but what about the battery?
Starter installation location (circle)
Everything is done so that the starter can be changed, repaired, but not short-circuited.
What does terminal S look like?
On Renault cars, the terminal looks like a threaded outlet. The nut screwed onto it is “white”, although it itself is made of copper (see photo).
Starter Renault Logan, phase 1
We have already talked about the VAZ - they use a plug. If you remove it, you can see the “petal”.
Push launch
This is a classic way to start the engine on almost any car. It should be used when other methods are powerless. To do this you will need to do the following:
- Place the gear lever in neutral.
- The driver gets behind the wheel.
- Two assistants are pushing the car.
- Once the car has accelerated a little, engage first or second gear.
- Turn the key to engine start mode.
This method can be used while towing a car. But remember that when you start the engine, the car will accelerate significantly and may drive into the bumper of the towing car.
conclusions
Let's look at diagram 1 again. If the key is not turned to the Start label, terminal S is “hanging in the air.” This can be done for any car, even if the circuit has an additional relay. This means that it will not be necessary to disconnect the standard wire from terminal S... And in the case of a VAZ, the disconnection is carried out in order to gain access to the terminal.
We removed the filter, disconnected the plug, and tried to close it...
If the engine filter cannot be removed or access is blocked by the battery, we do it differently - we use only the crank.
It is better to close the contacts not with a screwdriver, but with any wrench (see photo). It is desirable that the handle be insulated.
12 Volt voltage is not dangerous, but errors can result in blown fuses. Good luck.
For those who do not understand everything: the filter must be removed from the mounts, but not from the “corrugation”. The filter housing is placed on the battery.
How to start a Zhiguli without a battery
If you don’t have a battery at hand at all (it was stolen, the battery has short-circuited, etc.), you won’t be able to just start the car. The fact is that the classic VAZ family (like most cars) uses a generator that requires external excitation. To excite the windings, you will need at least some kind of current source capable of delivering about 12 volts. You can try less, but if the source is very weak (like a lithium battery from portable electronics), it’s not a guarantee that it will work.
Common starter faults
Thanks to the starter, the car engine starts. It receives power from the battery. If the starter does not work or rotates at low speeds, you should check the battery and wiring.
Starter connection diagram
The following malfunctions are possible:
- battery is low;
- the terminals are poorly secured or the contacts on the battery have oxidized;
- poor contact on the solenoid relay;
- damage to the electrical network in the area between the starter and the battery;
- The contact group of the ignition system does not work.
If the starter does not turn on, the cause may be a faulty relay or a short circuit in the windings of the device itself. If, when the armature rotates, the crankshaft does not rotate, it is possible that the clutch is slipping or the screw thread drive is running tight.
It is possible that the engine starts, but the starter does not turn off; in this case, there may be several reasons:
- bearing wear;
- wires jam on the shaft;
- jamming in the ignition switch.
Failures are eliminated by replacing faulty parts. If the drive gear becomes disengaged, extraneous noise may appear during operation of the trigger mechanism (video author: Irina Kuzilova).
Since the starter experiences heavy loads when turning the shaft and starting the piston group of the power unit, it should be regularly diagnosed to identify malfunctions.
Ways to start a car without interfering with the system
First of all, it is necessary to identify the reason why the starter fails. If the power unit refuses to work due to failure of the solenoid relay or starter winding, then you can try to start the car with a pusher or by towing.
VAZ 2114 or VAZ 2110 is easily started using a pusher. The light weight of the car allows you to try to start the car with just a couple of assistants. Resting against the car from behind, they must try to accelerate it, and while driving, the driver turns the key in the ignition and turns on first gear.
If this method does not allow you to obtain the desired result, then you must try to tow the car. This will require the help of other drivers. A special cable is attached to the car, with the help of which towing occurs.
Many motorists easily agree to help in a difficult situation, so there is no need to be afraid of stopping the car even on major highways.
Self-diagnosis
In order to find the cause of a mechanism malfunction, you need to understand how it works, know how the starter is connected, and how to check all its elements for serviceability.
Trigger device
The device consists of a large number of parts, but its basis is:
- electric motor;
- bendix;
- solenoid relay.
With the help of an electric motor, the energy received from the battery at start is transferred through the gear to the engine crankshaft. The starter is an electromechanical device, so it can have both mechanical and electrical faults.
Ignition timing
Changing the ignition timing
The top photo shows a boat motor, the throttle handle is in the “idle” position. Magneto base 1
in the “small ignition timing” position, the carburetor throttle valve
2
is closed
(the throttle valve drive is visible)
.
When “gas” is added, the base of the magneto rotates towards a “larger ignition timing”, and at the same time the carburetor throttle begins to open. In the bottom photo the throttle handle is in the “full speed” position. Compare the relative position of parts 1
and
2
.
Rotation of flywheel 3
clockwise.
The most important parameter that determines the operation of the ignition system is the so-called ignition timing
, - that is, the time at which the system ignites the compressed working mixture with a spark discharge.
The ignition timing is determined as the position of the engine crankshaft at the moment the impulse is applied to the spark plug in advance
relative to the top dead center in degrees (typically from 1 degree to 30).
This is due to the fact that it takes some time for the combustion of the working mixture in the cylinder (the speed of propagation of the flame front is about 20-30 m/s). If you ignite the mixture with the piston at top dead center (TDC), the mixture will burn already on the expansion stroke and partially on the exhaust stroke and will not provide effective pressure on the piston (simply put, it will fly out into the exhaust pipe when it catches up with the piston). Therefore, the (optimal) ignition timing is selected in such a way (advanced relative to TDC) that the maximum pressure of the burnt gases occurs at TDC.
The optimal ignition timing depends on the speed of the piston (engine speed), the degree of enrichment/leanness of the mixture and slightly on the fractional composition of the fuel (affects the combustion rate of the mixture). To automatically bring the ignition timing to the optimum, centrifugal and vacuum regulators or an electronic control unit are used.
It should be noted that under load conditions in gasoline engines at optimal (according to the combustion rate of the mixture) ignition angles, detonation often occurs (explosive combustion of the mixture), therefore, to avoid it, the actual ignition timing is made slightly smaller, up to the threshold of detonation (by supplying the initial advance angle manually, or by the electronics of the control unit - automatically, in motion). In modern engines, the control program constantly sets the ignition angle a little earlier, constantly moving the ignition to the early side, in small steps of fractions of a degree, and at the moment the detonation criterion appears, the program shifts the ignition a few degrees to the late side, then the process repeats. As a result, the system “guides” the ignition timing to the edge of detonation, which helps to obtain maximum performance from the engine. Since the introduction of the EURO-3 standard, ignition timing has been controlled separately for each cylinder.
Both “late ignition” and “early ignition” (relative to the optimal one) lead to a drop in engine power and a decrease in efficiency due to a decrease in efficiency, as well as excessive heating and stress on engine parts. “Early ignition”, in addition, leads to strong detonation, especially when the gas pedal is pressed sharply. Adjusting the ignition timing on cars usually involves setting the earliest ignition timing that does not yet lead to detonation during acceleration.
Recommendations
- It is important not to short or accidentally short any contacts other than the control terminal and spade contact.
- Since the starter is usually accessed from below, you must be prepared to remove the original or aftermarket baffles.
- On many vehicles, the control terminal is made in the form of a threaded valve (a nut is screwed onto a bolt) with a spade type terminal.
- Fuses should be checked separately after starting the engine, as they may blow if there are faults;
- Considering that traction uses a current of 30-50 A and above, the connection points may be clogged.
- Owners of older cars in which the switch does not control the voltage on the coil should remember that if the starter is short-circuited, the coil may fail;
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RU | Hello dear forum users! Granta arrived with a complaint about poor starting in the morning. It starts only after being towed for about three kilometers. Then it starts with the key and continues like this all day. I connect with a scanmatic, 8 cells. ECU m 74CAN. I see errors on the channel bus: short circuit (+) to (-). Also, cylinders 1-4 are skipped and fuel supply is prohibited. I erase the errors and start it (yes, the car has a 4th generation LPG). While running on gasoline there are misfires in the 4th cylinder, on gas in the first. On gas, turn off. I understand that the 1st injector is flowing. I think that on gas it interferes with the operation of the internal combustion engine. The pressure in the ramp is 3.7. There was only one injector in stock, so I put it on the 4th. The gaps in it have stopped. But on gasoline it still works very poorly, when the speed increases, it sneezes as if there is not enough fuel. All parameters are normal. Again, I measure the pressure in the ramp during operation, at some point it drops sharply and the engine starts to shut down. I am changing the pressure valve in the tank. Left. In the morning, the same story was barely started again. What could be the reason? Yes, I opened the ecu completely, everything is clean. Comrades, more experienced diagnosticians, I ask for advice, maybe someone has had something similar. I apologize if there is anything wrong, but I couldn’t find anything like this on the forum. |
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RU | Edited by: Grinius on 10-6-2018 20:58 The valves say they were adjusted a week ago, they thought it was because of them. Last night it was with me. On the first start in the morning it started and stalled. The second launch is generally zero. Errors 0, I reset the training, it starts, I don’t press the gas too confidently and it stalls. I start it up again, it idles and thrashes, I switched to gas and then I revved it up. Rail pressure 3.6 Well, I see there are no thoughts yet. He'll come again tomorrow. For now I think it’s the injector that is pouring and the gasoline gets to the lambda and the car stalls. Well, I don't know anymore. |
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Lada Granta does not start - spark plugs are in gasoline
If the unscrewed ones are wet, then it is logical to assume that gasoline is entering the cylinders. Accordingly, you need to dig towards the spark. Everything is definitely fine with the DPKV, because the ECU sees the scrolling and opens the injectors.
On a car with an 8-valve engine, where an ignition module is installed, this procedure is much simpler than on cars with a 16-valve engine. First, we need to make sure that voltage is supplied to the ignition module, namely, to the primary winding of the module. To do this, remove the chip from the module, and then turn on the ignition. There should be 12 volts between the center wire and ground. If they are not there, then check all the wiring to the control unit. If everything is fine with it, then with 90% confidence we can say that the problem is in the ECU. After we went to the cartoon, power is supplied, we check the module itself. To do this, use the same multimeter to check the resistance of the primary winding. It is measured between the second and third terminals of the coil.
The resistance should be about 1.2 kOhm. After this, we check the resistance of the secondary winding coils. To do this, it is measured between the terminals on high-voltage wires 1 and 4, as well as cylinders 2 and 3. This resistance may differ among different manufacturers, so here it is looked at relative to each other. On average, the indicator varies from 6.5 to 12. It is worth clarifying that this method of checking the module may not always be reliable, since the coil has different characteristics at different thermal conditions. It remains to check the high-voltage wires; we measure their resistance with a multimeter; it should be no more than 5 kOhm on the shortest wire, and no more than 10 kOhm on the longest wire, respectively. Unfortunately, checking high-voltage wires for breakdown at home is quite problematic; this may require at least a megaohmmeter. Many people, in the absence of a spark and wet spark plugs, immediately jump to check the crankshaft position sensor. Here it must be said that the fuel supply to the cylinder already indicates that this sensor is working. But how reliably it shows the position of the crankshaft is difficult to say. At home, it is easier to check the crankshaft position sensor by replacing it with a known good one.
This is a list of typical faults that cause Lada Granta to not start. It is worth noting that the actual list is much larger than this, since every case cannot be typical. It also happens that, for example, the injectors behave adequately when cold, but after warming up they begin to spray. But it happens the other way around: when it’s cold, they cannot provide sufficient performance, but when it’s hot, on the contrary, they work properly. Unfortunately, even in big cities it is often quite difficult to find a competent specialist in engine diagnostics. This line of work requires at least three elements to work. The first is a motor tester. They are quite extensive, so there is no point in considering them. The second is a diagnostic scanner. It is often very difficult to find a multi-brand scanner with good functions; in addition, its cost exceeds all reasonable limits. The third is a gas analyzer. Equipment for engine diagnostics alone costs at least 200 thousand. In addition, training takes quite a long time. Therefore, very few people are involved in diagnostics, if we talk about competent diagnostics. Well, one more case why the Lada Granta may not start. Video - Lada Granta does not start:
Combustion of the working mixture in spark-ignition engines
The progress of the combustion process can be judged from indicator diagrams that graphically show the change in pressure P in the cylinder depending on the angle φ of the crankshaft. The area of the indicator diagram is proportional to the work done during the combustion of the working mixture inside the cylinder in one cycle. If the ignition is turned off, then the pressure in the cylinder changes almost symmetrically with respect to the TDC when the crankshaft rotates. (lower curve). For normal engine operation, the ignition must be turned on when a spark should occur between the spark plug electrodes. The moment of sparking corresponds to the position of point 1 on the diagram, and the pressure in the compression chamber corresponds to the ordinate P1.
The combustion process is conventionally divided into three phases.
Initial phase - Q1 begins at the moment of spark formation. A small volume of the working mixture ignites near the spark plug electrodes. It burns relatively slowly. The pressure in the cylinder during this period remains almost the same as when the ignition is turned off.
The first phase ends when 6...8% of the total volume of the mixture in the combustion chamber burns. The temperature rises so much that, starting from point 2, the pressure increases sharply, and the main phase of rapid combustion begins (section 2... 3). The flame propagation speed in the middle part of the combustion chamber reaches 60...80 m/s. Along the chamber walls, the combustion rate is lower and combustion is incomplete. The duration of the second phase for high-speed engines is 25...30° crankshaft rotation angle. In this phase, the bulk of the heat is released.
The third phase Q3 is the combustion phase of the mixture in the peripheral sections of the chamber during the expansion stroke. Point 3 is taken as the beginning of this phase. The pressure in the cylinder at this moment will be maximum.
The rate of increase in pressure along the angle of rotation of the crankshaft, or, in other words, the rigidity of engine operation, depends on the intensity of heat generation in the main phase. In modern automobile engines, the rate of pressure increase ranges from 0.12...0.25 MPa per 1° shaft rotation angle. The steeper the pressure increases in section 2..3, the harder the engine operates and the greater the wear on the crank mechanism.
The duration of the first phase depends on a number of factors.
The closer the excess air coefficient a is to the optimal value, the better the mixture composition and the shorter the duration of the first phase. If the mixture is significantly leaner, its ignition deteriorates and the engine’s efficiency decreases. The more powerful the spark discharge, the more intense the flame spread and the shorter the first phase.
The duration of the second combustion phase is influenced by the same factors as the duration of the first phase. In addition, the second phase depends on the ignition timing and crankshaft speed.
Fuel equipment
The fuel circuit consists of a pump, fuel supply lines, a fine filter, and nozzles - sprayers.
Most often, the fuel pump fails for the following reasons:
- Natural wear of the part;
- Systematic refueling with low quality fuel, with a high content of chemical impurities;
- Third-party mechanical damage to the pump housing, filter;
- Short circuit in the circuit;
- Manufacturing defect.
Do not rush to replace the pump with a new one; it is enough to carry out preventive maintenance on the existing one. This will save a lot of money on repairs.
The gas distribution mechanism (GRM), its basis is a belt that connects the generator, crankshaft pulleys, and camshaft.
Due to weakening of tension, a break, it is impossible to start the Lada Granta engine. Replacing the drive belt is not at all difficult; the task can be done by a car enthusiast without any skills.
It is enough to loosen the generator mounts, move the housing as far as it will go, and remove the belt. Reassemble the structure in reverse order.