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One of the popular modifications to Lada Vesta, XRAY, Largus is the replacement of the standard lower engine mount with a reinforced one (also called a “guitar”, support or extension of the power unit). It increases the rigidity of the engine mount and reduces unwanted movements of the power unit, but it can also cause additional vibrations on the body. Let's look at what reinforced lower engine mounts the market offers.
Standard support from Vesta Sport
This is the original lower mount of the 1.8-liter VAZ 21179 engine, which is installed on the Lada Vesta Sport from the factory.
vendor code
8450031975
Price
about 3300 rubles.
Buy
: link
Engine Lada Vesta
Products from the Dustershop77 range on the topic of the article:
| Name | Manufacturer | Price | Availability | Add to cart |
| DC1822-8200291355 | Crankcase gas recirculation valve Renault 8200291355 | Original | 6900 / 5500 rub. Discount: 4900 rub. | 2 |
| DC1644-140328698R | Intake manifold gasket H4M original 140328698R | Original | 700 / 600 rub. Discount: 400 rub. | 4 |
| DC380-ASAM-30376 | Lower radiator support cushion 7700430992 / 215081131R ASAM-SA 30376 analogue | Analogue | 150 / 100 rub. Discount: 80 rub. | 4 |
| DC1211-8200132254 | Fuel injector for K4M engine original 8200132254 | Original | 2900 / 2200 rub. Discount: 1900 rub. | 4 |
| DC919-226A41772R | Oxygen sensor lambda probe upper Duster, Vesta and other engines. H4M 1.6 226A41772R / 226901841R / 226906393R | Original | 4500 / 4200 rub. Discount: 3900 rub. | 2 |
| DC1738 | Fuel pump fuel filter mesh Renault Duster, Captur, Terrano, Vesta, etc. 2.0 / 1.6 (Masuma) | Analogue | 800 / 500 rub. Discount: 350 rub. | 1 |
| DC619-8200048024 | Expansion tank cover original Renault 8200048024 | Original | 700 / 500 rub. Discount: 350 rub. | 2 |
| DC1398-30777 | Gasket for fuel pump ring ASAM 30777 | ASAM | 300 / 250 rub. Discount: 200 rub. | 2 |
| DC1740 | Fuel filter for submersible fuel pump Renault Duster, Captur, Terrano, Vesta, etc. 2.0 / 1.6 (LYNX) | Analogue | 2100 / 1800 rub. Discount: 1500 rub. | 1 |
| DC1766 | Throttle valve gasket repair kit K4M/F4R (large+small) Balakovo PTP64 | Analogue | 300 / 200 rub. Discount: 150 rub. | 1 |
| DC981-FCR210114 | Electric fuel pump FRANCECAR FCR210114 | Analogue | 1500 / 1200 rub. Discount: 1100 rub. | 1 |
| DC1200-BK64105/30598 | Fuel pump ring with gasket | Analogue | 1000 / 700 rub. Discount: 500 rub. | 1 |
| DC1746 | Membrane of the crankcase gas recirculation valve Renault Duster, Captur, Terrano, etc. (KVKG membrane F4R 2.0) | Analogue | 2200 / 1900 rub. Discount: 1600 rub. | 2 |
| DC1322-224332428R | Ignition coil 1.6 H4m original 224332428R | Original | 3500 / 3000 rub. Discount: 2600 rub. | 9 |
| DC1682-6001549070 | Fuel vapor absorber original 6001549070 | Original | 4000 / 3200 rub. Discount: 2800 rub. | 1 |
| DC1643-140323253R | Intake manifold gasket H4M original 140323253R | Original | 2000 / 1800 rub. Discount: 1600 rub. | 2 |
| LRT-002/6001548140 | Washer reservoir is not original, ANALOGUE 6001548140 | LOGEM | 1000 / 900 rub. Discount: 500 rub. | 1 |
| DC382-ASAM-30494 | Expansion tank ASAM-SA 30494 (7701470460) | Analogue | 1000 / 700 rub. Discount: 600 rub. | 1 |
| DC918-226A44171R | Oxygen sensor lower lambda probe H4M 1.6 Lambda probe Renault 226A44171R | Original | 32000 / 6500 rub. Discount: 5300 rub. | 1 |
| DC955-150100565R | Oil pump for F4R original 150100565R | Original | 7500 / 6900 rub. Discount: 6600 rub. | 1 |
| DC1314-135101KT0A | Front crankshaft oil seal H4M original 135101KT0A | Original | 900 / 700 rub. Discount: 550 rub. | 2 |
| DC1320-161191KA1B | Throttle valve H4M original 161191KA1B | Original | 35000 / 29900 rub. Discount: 28300 rub. | 1 |
| DC1664-21179113201000 | Fuel injector VAZ 1.8l 21179 original 21179113201000 | Original | 1800 / 1500 rub. Discount: 1300 rub. | 4 |
| DC2457-8200291355 | Crankcase gas recirculation valve - analogue 8200291355 | Analogue | 4000 / 2400 rub. Discount: 1900 rub. | >10 |
| 6001548140 | Washer reservoir Renault 6001548140 original | Original | 2000 / 1700 rub. Discount: 1500 rub. | 1 |
| DC957-8200665520 | Starter K4M 1.6 original 8200665520 | Original | 13000 / 11500 rub. Discount: 10500 rub. | 1 |
| DC1302-166008992R | Fuel injector for H4M engine original 166008992R | Original | 3500 / 2600 rub. Discount: 2400 rub. | 4 |
| DC1315-122791HC0A | Rear crankshaft oil seal H4M original 122791HC0A | Original | 2000 / 1700 rub. Discount: 1400 rub. | 1 |
| DC1889 | Upper radiator support cushion 215060007R analog | Analogue | 340 / 250 rub. Discount: 200 rub. | 1 |
| DC1663-21120370501015 | Ignition coil VAZ 1.6/1.8 21129/21179 original 21120370501015 | Original | 1900 / 1200 rub. Discount: 900 rub. | 4 |
| DC1836 | Lower thin injector sealing ring Vesta, Largus, X-ray, Granta, Kalina 21127-1139045R (1 pc.) | Original | 25 / 15 rub. Discount: 10 rub. | 4 |
| DC1837 | Valve cover bushing Vesta, Granta, 2108 (1 piece) | Original | 25 / 15 rub. Discount: 10 rub. | 4 |
| DC1838 | Upper thick injector sealing ring Vesta, Largus, X-ray, Granta, Kalina (1 pc.) | Original | 25 / 15 rub. Discount: 10 rub. | 4 |
| DC1839 | Rings for injectors Vesta, Largus, X-ray, Granta, Kalina (set of 8 pcs.) Rosteco | Analogue | 340 / 250 rub. Discount: 200 rub. | 1 |
| DC1878-21080130704204 | Gasket for pump Largus, Vesta, X-Ray, VAZ-2108-2112 21080130704204 | Original | 50 / 30 rub. Discount: 20 rub. | 1 |
| DC1321-161757436R | Throttle valve gasket H4M/F4R original 161757436R | Original | 800 / 600 rub. Discount: 550 rub. | 0 |
| DC522-233009370R | Starter for F4R engine original art. 233009370R | Original | 14000 / 10600 rub. Discount: 9900 rub. | 0 |
| DC1002-B208A03276 | Fuel injector for K4M DEKO engine B208A03276 (analogue 8200132254) | Analogue | 2000 / 1500 rub. Discount: 1300 rub. | 0 |
Lower support from Pro.Car
Improved (modified) rear engine mount with cushion and silent block assembly. For modification, the factory support 1112381035R is used.
Price
: 2150 rub.
Buy
: link
Hydromount from Citroen/Peugeot
The design used a Citroen/Peugeot engine mount and mount.
One of the advantages of this engine mount is that it has replaceable components:
- hydro support (Sasic article number 8441771)
- guitar (Sasic article 4001714)
The components are not expensive and of sufficient quality.
Price
: 5650 rub.
Buy
: link
Lower support ROSTECO or MIKA
MIKA support:
ROSTECO packages:
This support has undergone significant technical improvements. The stamped metal body has been replaced with an aluminum cast one, which has reduced the weight of the support by 40 grams; the silent blocks are not crimped into the body, but pressed into place, thereby increasing the service life of the support. At the same time, all vibration damping parameters of the product are preserved.
Vendor code:
8450031975MIKA or 21349
Price
: 590r
Buy
: link
Manufacturers and prices of analogues
The cushions for Lada Vesta engines are considered by owners to be not particularly reliable and are even being modified to increase the effect of vibration absorption.
Otherwise, there are no special attempts to create analogues, because the “craftsmen” have already drawn the attention of Vest owners to two modification options:
- Came from Renault owners. It is necessary to create for each problematic pillow a metal plate 80 mm long, 38 mm wide and two grooves on the sides measuring 23 mm wide and 38 mm deep. The funny thing is that the X-Ray, which is in many ways similar to the Vesta, has the same engine (21129), but there are no problems with the upper right support - it’s just different.
- If the part itself is still intact, it can be lubricated with silicone grease where the rubber hits the metal body.
Wear
The wear of the engine mounts is determined by the “crampedness” of those points of the metal body that take the blow, damage and the thickness of the layer itself - rubber will not dampen vibrations if its thickness is very small.
Belarusian support
The modernized lower engine mount (polyurethane) of Lada Vesta was manufactured jointly with Lada Club Belarus.
This support is made using new polymer materials, which has significantly improved its consumer properties.
vendor code
: 8450031975-PU
Price
: 2550 rub.
Cushion from Fiat Ducato
This support is installed on diesel Fiat Ducato with a volume of 1.9 to 2.8, therefore it is designed for a larger engine weight. The torque of this engine is 300 Nm.
The seller assures that:
- There is less vibration on it than on the original one.
- Longitudinal movements of the motor are reduced.
- The support fits properly without any modifications.
- The pillow is easily replaceable.
1 year warranty!
vendor code
: 8450030109-PU
Price
: 4400 rub.
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: link
Reinforced lower support MAVIKO
Original on top, MAVIKO analogue on bottom.
A distinctive feature of this support from the original and analogues from third-party manufacturers is that this product has passed endurance tests, as well as the necessary tests to obtain a certificate, thus it is not a “garage” or “cooperative” finishing touch, which is very important for understanding the quality of the product.
In addition to all of the above, the manufacturer is ready to provide a guarantee for its product.
vendor code
: 8450031975-01
Price
: 1050 RUR
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: link
Hydromount from BMW
1. First version Stage 1
Engine mount 2495601 from BMW 3 (E46) was taken as a basis. The price is about 2800 rubles.
The peculiarity of the support is that it is hydraulic (the design uses not only metal and rubber, but also oil).
a) at idle, soft support: b) in motion, hard support: 1 – lower (expansion) chamber; 2 – throttling channel; 3 – upper (working) chamber; 4 – movable membrane; 5 – hydraulic support housing; 6 – damping fluid channel.
The difference between a hydraulic and standard support is demonstrated in the video:
The weight of the pillow is 1.76 kg.
vendor code
: 8450030109GIDRO
Price:
5300 rub. (the LEMFORDER 2495601 support itself costs about 2800 rubles).
2. Modified version of Stage 2.
The hydraulic mount itself is essentially the same thing with the addition of a guitar of the same manufacturer. Due to this, we managed to save some money, so the price increased only for the silent block itself.
Silent block from jikiu be21058, there are no analogues.
Price
: 5900 rub.
Buy
: withdrawn from sale.
Support from Future Technology
presents an innovative part of a new generation - a lower (rear) engine mount support (guitar, rod) for Lada Vesta and XRAY cars.
The part is designed and manufactured using high-tech technical solutions, taking into account some shortcomings of the standard support. Extrusion casting is used in manufacturing, which has a number of technical advantages, including those in compliance with passive safety regulations. The composition of the rubber mixture of an individual recipe is also used (tested and time-tested).
The main purpose of this engine mount mount is to minimize vibration from the power unit to the car body with more efficient engine positioning (under different modes) and create vibration-acoustic comfort.
Price
: 650r
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: link
How to change airbags on a Vesta car
In order to correctly adjust the engine mount, it is not at all necessary to go to an official dealer - contacting him will still result in the installation of exactly the same part.
Replacing the left engine mount
Before work, prepare and “clear” your way to the part: remove the battery, battery shelf, air filter mount and crankcase protection from under the hood; all components will have to be put aside and then reinstalled. The Lada Vesta cushion itself is attached to the side member on the body with four bolts, and to the gearbox bracket with two bolts. In order not to worry about the reliability of the structure, make sure for yourself that this bracket is attached to the gearbox housing with three bolts.
The replacement procedure is as follows:
- Jack up the gearbox - this will reduce the load on the cushion, because the jack will “take” it.
- Using keys 16 and 18, unscrew all the bolts that are responsible for fastening the pillow. When retightening the mounting bolts to the side member, stop at a torque of 53-71 Nm.
- As for the mounting bolts to the bracket, their tightening torque is 90-120 Nm.
- Remove the right engine mount.
- Place the new part in place of the old one and tighten the bolts until you are sure that the structure is stable.
Replacing the right engine mount
Depending on the engine model: HR16 or 21129, the design of the right airbag of the Lada Vesta is different. In the VAZ 21129 engine, the right support is located next to the spar, to which it is attached with two bolts, and the engine itself, to which it is attached with three bolts.
The HR16 engine has a slightly different design, and the part can be found next to the fuel pipe and the gasoline vapor recovery system pipe. Three bolts secure its body to the motor, two more hold the bracket. This power unit support in the Lada Vesta is located on the right.
To replace, unscrew all the fastening bolts (depending on what kind of “engine” is in your car) with a 16mm wrench and a TORX E12 wrench and remove the pillow itself.
When you assemble the structure, tighten the bolts to a force of 53-71 Nm.
Replacing the rear additional engine mount
This part is installed below, on the rear side of the motor. The mounts are different on the two types of motors. On the 21129 engine of the Lada Vesta, it is “tied” into a large network of fasteners. So, on one side it is held in place by a bracket that is firmly supported by two bolts. On the other hand, it is attached to the subframe with a bolt and nut. On the HR16 engine, the fastening is simpler: on one side, one bolt secures the part to the subframe, on the other, two bolts secure it to the gearbox.
To replace, unscrew all bolts and remove the rear cushion. On motor 21129, be careful with the bracket fastening bolt - loosen it last and “catch” the pillow.
When putting the structure back together, tighten the bolts to 90-120 Nm.
You can do the work of replacing the power unit supports yourself. After tightening the bolts, check the strength and stability of all racks - they should not wobble excessively and should not stand “tight” - they should have a small amplitude of movement. Proper bolt torque will keep the motor in place and reduce vibration. To ensure the reliability of new parts, you can modify them by lubricating them (wd-40 will not work here).
Conclusion
Do you want to be sure of the quality of the part? Choose original spare parts! However, not all analogues are inferior in quality to the original. Reviews here and under engine mounts in our online store, as well as a survey after the article, will help you make the right choice.
All types of engine mounts
for Vesta are presented in our online store (ICE pillow category).
What lower engine mount did you choose for Vesta? We determine the best support through voting. Leave your reviews in the comments.
By the way, we previously told you how to make a reinforced lower engine mount with your own hands and how to replace it yourself.
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How to check engine mounts
The first sign of a strut malfunction is a knocking sound coming from the engine compartment. To pre-confirm this “diagnosis”, check for the following signs:
- A hum is heard in the cabin when driving at high speeds.
- When starting the Lada Vesta engine when cold, metallic tapping is heard in the cabin and strong vibration is felt.
- When accelerating sharply or braking sharply, knocking noises are heard from under the hood.
- A knocking sound from the left engine mount of the Lada Vesta is less common, but the final conclusion can be made by visually inspecting the cushions. A good rubber-metal part should be completely free of damage, so that the rubber does not make a knock when it comes into contact with metal - this way it does not absorb shocks.
- Rock the engine and then press on each corner to identify the worn pad that needs to be replaced. Wait until it cools down before touching the motor.
The knocking sound of the upper engine mount on Vesta is common
It is important to point out the knocking of the Lada Vesta engine mount, which carries a greater load than the other two - this is the upper (or lower) cushion. It is located in the center and does not dampen the vibrations that come to the left or right edge of it, which is why it quickly becomes loose. The design can be modernized by adding a special pillow for the sports version.
Lubricant, package - no noise: How to remove noise in the right engine mount on a LADA Vesta
The knocking noise will disappear and wear of the support rubber will stop.
Lubricant and the package are the best friends of the right engine mount of the Vesta. Image: Driver-News
After 10 thousand km on Russian roads, the engine mount begins to make noise and rattle, like a compressor on an old refrigerator. This is bad for engine performance, so “newsman” Gagarinec from the Drive2 portal shares his method.
The metal simply “eats” the rubber. Photo: Drive2
Replacing the support on the Vesta did not eliminate the noise, so the man decided to fight the noise with lubricants. I used thick silicone grease as a basis (we will indicate the names of those suitable for LADA Vesta at the end). I generously lubricated the right support and began to monitor the knocking noises.
All steps are simple. Photo: Drive2
Then the experiment began: at three and ten thousand km the rubber band did not move away from the support, although the motorist did not change his driving style. While driving, the rubber bands of the LADA Vesta get a lot of wear and tear on the metal, but the thick silicone lubricant absorbs shocks and saves from noise. At the same time, the bag holds back dirt and dust.
What lubricants do drivers recommend for Vesta:
- Loctite 8104 is the lubricant used by the author of the experiment;
- Molykote DC-33 medium - AvtoVAZ lubricant at the factory;
- Silicot gel, Liqui moly Silicon-Fett, Huskey HVS-100 - advice from other Vesta drivers.
Problem
As sad as it is to realize, West owners are not spared this problem either. Many owners notice knocking noises under the hood of the Lada Vesta, and they come from the right side.
As a rule, you don’t have to search for long, since the situation is well known. It appears on sedans that were equipped with engine mounts from the VAZ 21129. As a result, a whole cacophony of sounds began to be heard from the engine compartment, including knocks, clicks, squeaks, etc. Moreover, these sounds are so loud that they can be heard even in the cabin.
The knock from the support is quite loud
And the best confirmation of this is numerous videos in which owners of the domestic model demonstrate trouble.
And in this video you can hear knocks directly inside the car.
In addition, some owners began to “dig deeper” and found out that a similar situation occurs not only on Vesta, but also on other models of the Renault-Nissan Alliance. In particular, on the Nissan Qashqai. This is also confirmed in the video.
As for the Lada X-Ray, the hatchback has not noticed such a problem, even though its engines are the same as those on the sedan. The whole point is that X-Ray is equipped with different supports for the power unit.
