Review of reinforced right engine mounts for Lada Vesta

October 17, 2021 Lada.Online 78 233 39

One of the reasons for the appearance of extraneous knocks from the front right on the Lada Vesta family is a “tired” right engine mount. To solve the problem, the engine mount is lubricated, modified, or replaced under warranty. There are cases where the engine mount was replaced four times in a short period of time. In such a situation, there is reason to think about installing an alternative, reinforced right engine mount. Are there any analogues?

Vesta's standard right engine mount has article number 8450030109 and is offered at a price of 2,000 rubles. It is worth noting that it is used on VAZ engines. Lada Vesta with a CVT and a Renault-Nissan engine has a different original engine mount.

Currently, there are several analogues of this part.

• Reinforced cushions are installed without modifications in the standard mounting points.
• According to the manufacturer, reinforced supports are more reliable and durable, which eliminates the appearance of extraneous sounds over a long period of operation.

Hydromount from BMW

1. First version Stage 1

Engine mount 2495601 from BMW 3 (E46) was taken as a basis. The price is about 2800 rubles.

The peculiarity of the support is that it is hydraulic (the design uses not only metal and rubber, but also oil).

a) at idle, soft support: b) in motion, hard support: 1 – lower (expansion) chamber; 2 – throttling channel; 3 – upper (working) chamber; 4 – movable membrane; 5 – hydraulic support housing; 6 – damping fluid channel.

The difference between a hydraulic and standard support is demonstrated in the video:

The weight of the pillow is 1.76 kg.

vendor code

: 8450030109GIDRO

Price:

5300 rub. (the LEMFORDER 2495601 support itself costs about 2800 rubles).

2. Modified version of Stage 2.

The hydraulic mount itself is essentially the same thing with the addition of a guitar of the same manufacturer. Due to this, we managed to save some money, so the price increased only for the silent block itself.

Silent block from jikiu be21058, there are no analogues.

Price

: 5900 rub.

Buy

: withdrawn from sale.

Examination

It is not difficult to assess the need to replace the engine mounts of the Lada Vesta and X-Ray. This requires looking under the hood and visually inspecting the cushions for damage - breaks in rubber components, cracks in metal, etc.

In general, if you experience the following symptoms, you should consider replacing:

1. During a sharp start or when braking with the power unit, knocking noises are heard from under the hood;
2. Vibrations are felt while the engine is running;
3. The cabin fills with noise when driving.

The steps described below are relevant for two engines - VAZ 21129, as well as HR16, which were installed under the hood of the XRAY and Vesta models.

The sound of the engine mounts can be clearly heard in the video.

PRO.CAR support

First option: v1

Engine mounting rod with cushion and silent block assembly of our own design.

Price

: 3250 rub.

Buy

: link

Second option: V2 (hydro)

Price

: 6500 rub.

Buy

: link

Support with two silent blocks

Tuningprosto presented a right engine mount with two silent blocks.

Price

: about 3000 rub.

Reinforced upper right engine mount

Vendor code:

M01VSSU00153

Manufacturer

: Russia

Guarantee

: 6 months per bracket. (there is no warranty on the rubber product, it is replaceable)

Installation instructions

The right airbag of the new model was tested over a mileage of 5 thousand kilometers; according to the test results, the following were discovered:

Positive points

:

• Some extraneous engine sounds are gone
• Starting off and shifting gears is smoother
• More precise installation holes in the pillow ebbs:
• Low cost of the rubber cushion (IT IS REPLACEABLE, the support becomes repairable, and repairs are inexpensive)
• Easy pillow installation
• More reliable design, unlike the factory one

Flaws

:

• The quality of the rubber component in the cushion leaves much to be desired (but since it is replaceable and costs 300-700 rubles depending on the manufacturer, you can always replace it, which is cheaper than buying a new support assembly, article number 21080-1001031)
• The support lacks any additional anti-corrosion coating

Price

: 3700 rub.

Buy

: link to VestaShop.

Solving the problem yourself

Method No. 1

. You can also get rid of the knocking with a simple modification. It is necessary to lubricate the engine mount with silicone grease (WD-40 will not work) in the places where the rubber comes into contact with the metal housing. Photo of the upper right mount of the Vesta engine: Read more: Nissan Terrano engine where it is assembled After this, the knocking should go away:

Method No. 2

. Install 1-2 mm thick plates into the engine support (author of the photo). A similar solution is found among Renault owners.

Despite the fact that the VAZ 21129 engine (1.6 l, 106 hp) is also installed on the Lada XRAY, the upper right mount of the power unit has a different part number (on Vesta - 8450030109, on XRAY - 112107286R), accordingly, this problem is not observed on the crossover.

Let us remind you that knocking noises in the front part of Vesta can come from the brake caliper or suspension, for example, from anti-roll bars.

The pillow, also known as the Lada Vesta engine support, is a kind of stabilizer against detonation. Vesta car parts come in three types: left, right, rear additional - price from 1,400 rubles. The parts have a separate article number. Malfunctions: the main malfunction is a knocking sound from the support, usually knocking on the left. The left pillow is reinforced

It is important to adjust the engine mount correctly. During engine operation, useful energy is generated, which is used to set the Lada Vesta in motion.

The movement of the “insides” of the motor causes it to begin to create vibration. To “dampen” engine vibration, they place them on supports, which perform several more functions:

• increase sound insulation of the engine compartment;
• protect other parts and assemblies from damage;
• stabilize the position of the motor as much as possible (if the amplitude of movement of the motor constantly increases, this will lead to wear of the connections);
• protect the engine from the negative influence of the external environment (when the car passes obstacles, the suspension does not completely dampen rolling, and the struts act as additional shock absorbers).

This way, not only the engine is secured, but also the gearbox. His pillow on the Lada Vesta consists of three supports. On the sports model, an additional support enhances stabilization when accelerating and braking; its design is mechanical rubber-metal. Each pillow is a mechanism of two metal plates, between which there is elastic rubber.

At the most unexpected moment, strange sounds may be heard from under the hood - knocking, grinding, clanging, unusual for the normal operation of the car - perhaps this is just the knock of the Lada Vesta engine support. To recognize it and “cure” it correctly, let’s look at everything in order.

Belarusian pillow

Made together with Lada Club Belarus (yes, this is the same Belarusian pillow). Its design completely replicates the factory version. This is done for routine testing of the airbag in the event of an accident. Unlike the original, in the modernized support the points at which the material is attached to the support body have been changed; instead of cheap rubber, the material has been replaced with more wear-resistant and technologically advanced polyurethane.

vendor code

: 8450030109-PU

Price

: 3225 rub.

All original engine mounts and analogues are presented in this store category.

Conclusion

: Do you want to be sure of the quality of the part? Choose original spare parts! However, not all analogues are inferior in quality to the original. Reviews here and under engine mounts in our online store, as well as a survey after the article, will help you make the right choice.

Replacing engine mounts for VAZ 21129 and HR16 (Lada Vesta and XRAY)

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The power unit (motor with gearbox) is suspended on supports, which are also called engine mounts. Strong vibrations transmitted from the engine to the body indicate wear on these rubber parts. To prevent this negative effect from occurring, it is recommended to replace the engine mounts as they wear out.

This manual covers the replacement of VAZ 21129 and HR16 engine mounts installed on the Lada Vesta and XRAY models.

Cushion from Fiat Ducato

This support is installed on diesel Fiat Ducato with a volume of 1.9 to 2.8, therefore it is designed for a larger engine weight. The torque of this engine is 300 Nm.

The seller assures that:

1. There is less vibration on it than on the original one.
2. Longitudinal movements of the motor are reduced.
3. The support fits properly without any modifications.
4. The pillow is easily replaceable.

1 year warranty!

vendor code

: 8450030109-PU

Price

: 4400 rub.

Buy

: link

Noises when starting a cold car, which can provoke them

Below we discuss in detail the main most common types of abnormal noises when starting a machine when cold, as well as their possible causes:

• The sound of the engine being difficult to start. When starting off in a cold environment, a low intensity of headlight light is noted, and a sensation of sound is perceived, as if the car is starting without force. This is a symptom caused by problems with the battery (low charge or in poor condition) or the terminals (possibly making poor connections).
• “Skating” starter (“grrrrrrrrr…”). If the car starts to make friction noise between the gears when starting from a stop, there may be a problem with the starter.
• Engine noise (“chof, chof...”). If you hear a noise when starting a cold engine that sounds like “chop, chof...” and there is a strong smell of fuel inside the car, it is possible that the injectors are no longer sealed or are in poor condition. The noise that the injectors produce is very distinctive and this is due to the effect of fuel vapors escaping to the outside of the valve covers.
• Metal friction noise. It may happen that when starting the engine cold, a friction noise was heard between metal parts from the engine area. This situation may be a symptom caused by a faulty water pump. This metallic noise can occur when the water pump turbine comes into contact with the pump housing itself.
• Metallic noise (ringing) from the exhaust area. Sometimes, it may happen that some leak protector or clamp is loose or cracked. “Ringing” is produced by a metal part that has become loose or has cracks.
• Creak from inside the car. If there is a noise when starting the car when it is cold and it sounds like a squeak coming from the inside of the car, it is possible that the heating fan is in poor condition (the balance axis is probably broken or there is a lack of lubrication).

• The sound of metal sheets vibrating when starting up. The noise from vibration of metal sheets when starting is usually associated with the poor condition of the pipe protectors. These protectors can crack or break due to external factors such as temperature, mechanical stress, etc.
• Creak in the engine area. A creaking sound in the engine area when starting off may occur due to a timing belt pulley or tensioner in poor condition. This happens because the rollers or tensioners may become loose
• Intermittency or knocking noise in the engine compartment area. This noise when starting the car when cold occurs, as a rule, due to the timing chain being in poor condition (stretched or faulty). In this case, the chain cuts into the skates and produces these knocking noises, especially if the engine is not hot.
• Vibration of plastic in the engine area (“trrrrrrr…”). Vibration, changes in temperature or aging of the material can be caused by the fact that the cover that covers the engine is cracked or its supports are damaged, and, accordingly, vibrations of the plastic are heard.
• Metallic noise exactly during startup, accompanied by vibration in the body and steering wheel. This symptom can be considered if the engine pistons are in poor condition. These symptoms may lead to a more serious problem.
• A noise, as if metal was ringing at the start (“klo, klo,...”). When starting off, there may be a noise, a ringing of metal caused by a steering wheel failure. This can be caused by the steering wheel being unbalanced, causing vibrations that cause this noise. He's very characterful.
• Loud whistle in the engine compartment. Another possible noise when starting a car in cold weather is a whistle from the engine compartment, which may be caused by a defect in the exhaust manifold. A crack in this part, or a gasket in poor condition, both of which can create such a loud whistling noise.
• Engine chatter or discordant noises. There is a possibility that this kind of noise occurs in the engine when internal parts fail. As a rule, this malfunction is difficult to determine, since in order to accurately diagnose it, you need to disassemble the engine.

Hydromount from Citroen/Peugeot

The design used a Citroen/Peugeot engine mount and mount.

One of the advantages of this engine mount is that it has replaceable components:

• hydro support (Sasic article number 8441771)
• guitar (Sasic article 4001714)

The components are not expensive and of sufficient quality.

Price

: 5650 rub.

Buy

: link

Methods for cleaning the muffler

Three main methods for cleaning the exhaust pipe from foreign objects and contaminants:

Manual. The pipe is cut lengthwise using a grinder, thoroughly cleaned with improvised means, then welded and installed back. Before installation, the welding site must be treated with an anti-corrosion agent, since microcracks form on the metal during the welding process. Uniform heating with a blowtorch or over a fire - in the process, pollution and soot from the exhaust fly out

However, care should be taken as this makes the metal brittle and more susceptible to corrosion. Chemical

For such cleaning, the pipe is removed and the inlet opening is clogged with something. Then a chemical mixture is poured into the pipe, after which the other end is sealed. Leave for 24 hours. Drain the mixture, clean the inside of the muffler and rinse it with cold water. It is recommended to dry it with a hairdryer before installation.

If the malfunction is not corrected in time, then using the car will gradually become unpleasant - the noise will increase, rattling and grinding will be added, dark dense smoke will pour out of the chimney, disturbing other drivers in traffic conditions. Finally, in particularly advanced cases, the part becomes deformed or burns out, and then the only option is to replace the muffler.

We advise you to refuel your car with good fuel (low-quality gasoline is one of the main causes of clogging), regularly monitor its condition, and in case of problems, contact a service center.

Source

Support MIKA/ROSTECO

It is worth noting that the Rosteco lower support could not be called high quality (see reviews). Time will tell how the right pillow will perform.

Vendor code:

21775 (cross number 8450030109)

Price

: about 2800 rub.

Buy

: link

Hydraulic support from Nissan X-Trail

In February 2022, the right engine mount (mount) went on sale, the design of which uses hydraulic silent block engine mounts from the diesel Nissan X-trail 2.2l.

Price

: about 4900 rub.

Buy

: link

Where to buy any engine support

: in our online store (category Engine mounts for Lada Vesta).

Which right engine mount for Lada Vesta would you choose? Leave your feedback in the comments, take part in the survey.

Manufacturers and prices of analogues

The cushions for Lada Vesta engines are considered by owners to be not particularly reliable and are even being modified to increase the effect of vibration absorption.

The TuningProsto studio is developing improved spare parts from AvtoVAZ, including a recent development - an engine mount. Their price will be on average 3,000 rubles, orders are still being accepted. The tests were successful, and on a car dealer's car intended for a test drive - the car is used very often.

Otherwise, there are no special attempts to create analogues, because the “craftsmen” have already drawn the attention of Vest owners to two modification options:

• Came from Renault owners. It is necessary to create for each problematic pillow a metal plate 80 mm long, 38 mm wide and two grooves on the sides measuring 23 mm wide and 38 mm deep. The funny thing is that the X-Ray, which is in many ways similar to the Vesta, has the same engine (21129), but there are no problems with the upper right support - it’s just different.
• If the part itself is still intact, it can be lubricated with silicone grease where the rubber hits the metal body.

Wear

The wear of the engine mounts is determined by the “crampedness” of those points of the metal body that take the blow, damage and the thickness of the layer itself - rubber will not dampen vibrations if its thickness is very small.